Asking Gary about Rays, Bucs and Super Bowl

by Gary Shelton on February 13, 2015 · 10 comments

in general, NFL, Tampa Bay Bucs, Tampa Bay Rays


Do you think there would have been so much turnover on the Rays roster if Andrew and Joe were still here? Or could they have possibly left because they didn't want to face another roster churn?
                                -- Robert Wilson

No, I don't think there would have been quite as much. That's natural. I think anytime there is a change, there is less loyalty to the guys in uniform. For instance, Joe

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Jim Willson February 13, 2015 at 3:20 pm

I love the Q & A. Please keep doing it.


Gary Shelton February 13, 2015 at 4:51 pm

As long as readers want it, I’ll do it. Good questions.


scott myers February 13, 2015 at 8:48 am

Regarding the Glazers’ committment to bringing a championship to Tampa Bay…

Tampa Bay Bucs regular season won-lost record during Glazer family tenure:
malcolm: pre-stroke (1995-2005) 96-80 0.545 11 years – 6 playoffs
malcolm: post-stroke (2006-2014) 52-92 0.361 9 years – 1 playoff
Glazer Family Record 148-172 0.463 20 years – 7 playoffs

The Bucs are just one of 6 teams that have not been in post-season since 2007 or longer. Record for 2008-2014 = 39-73 0.348.

I think it is clear by now that Bryan, Joel, and Edward do not have the talent or the will to produce a successful team on the field. And why should they put forth the considerable additional effort to do so? They have and will continue to make gobs of money with $200 million per year in TV revenue alone. For the just concluded 2014 NFL regular season, where the Bucs went 2-14 and 0-8 at home, they averaged 60,000 paid attendance with 51,000 actual attendance. It is not worth the Glazers effort to go after the small incremental gate receipts that producing a winning team would yield.


Gary Shelton February 13, 2015 at 10:50 am

Don’t forget. That first era included perhaps the finest defense we have seen in our lifetime. In the second era, you’re talking about Raheem Morris and Josh Freeman and Mark Dominik. It isn’t just a matter of who sits in the owner’s box. To judge an owner’s commitment, you have to judge how hungry an ownership is to win. That’s the prime thing an owner brings. The Bucs didn’t win under Malcolm because he was so astute as an owner. They won because of Brooks and Sapp and Lynch and Dungy and Gruden. Could the Glazers be better owners? That’s a fair statement. Losing is on them. But I’m not willing to say that every team that wins has great ownership and every team that loses lacks it. As always, there are a lot of suspects when an organization fails.


scott myers February 13, 2015 at 11:58 am

I’m no big fan of Malcolm Glazer, but you have to give him some credit for hiring Dungy and for the organization drafting Brooks, Sapp, Lynch, etc. And you have to give him credit for bringing in Gruden at just the right time, after Bill Parcells jilted him. And the team went into decline before Malcolm’s strokes with Rick McKay leaving. But since the three sons tenure began in 2006, the Gruden/Bruce Allen relationship ended badly, Dominik was promoted to GM, clearly Raheem Morris was hired because he cost less than $1 million salary his first year, team payroll was quite low during Raheem’s 3 years (2009-2011), Greg Schiano was hired because the Glazers could not close the deal with Chip Kelly, Lovie Smith was allowed to name McCown as starting quarterback who was 3rd string for Lovie the 2 years that he played for Lovie with the Bears, and the offensive coordinator was well enough to resume duties during mid-season, or not. I just don’t get the sense the Glazer sons care that much whether the team wins or loses – they make tons of money no matter what. And it should be noted that none of them live in Tampa Bay, or even Florida.


scott myers February 13, 2015 at 12:17 pm

My bad – John Lynch was drafted in 1993 before Glazer bought the team. Brooks and Sapp were drafted in 1995 – I don’t know if that was before of after Glazer took ownership.


Gary Shelton February 13, 2015 at 1:37 pm

It doesn’t matter. Ownership has zip to do with picking players most places

Gary Shelton February 13, 2015 at 1:36 pm

Give glazer credit for hiring Dungy and Gruden, but he couldn’t have picked the players out in drafting any of them. The glazers do not know personnel. They offer no personal expertise. But most owners do not.


Rick Martin February 13, 2015 at 7:09 am

Enjoyed the Q&A. Hope you can have this on a regular basis.


Gary Shelton February 13, 2015 at 8:05 am

If you folks want it, I’ll do it.


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